<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Web2Expo: I believe a small rant is required</title>
	<atom:link href="http://infotrope.net/blog/2008/04/25/web2expo-i-believe-a-small-rant-is-required/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://infotrope.net/blog/2008/04/25/web2expo-i-believe-a-small-rant-is-required/</link>
	<description>Kirrily Robert&#039;s blog</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:12:07 -0800</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Skud</title>
		<link>http://infotrope.net/blog/2008/04/25/web2expo-i-believe-a-small-rant-is-required/comment-page-1/#comment-1574</link>
		<dc:creator>Skud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://infotrope.net/blog/?p=165#comment-1574</guid>
		<description>Elisa, I reckon you should contact them and find out for sure, and then let me know.

I am pretty sure, at this point, that the claim about insurance in the Moscone Center was prime 100% bullshit.  A few months ago they held &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.comic-con.org/wc/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wondercon&lt;/a&gt; at Moscone, and the area was *crawling* with kids (from age, oh, 8 or so upward?) in Moscone nametags carrying Moscone schwag bags.  I work a mere block away, and went into the office over the weekend of Wondercon to run an event there, so I saw the crowds.

No kids at Moscone = I call bullshit.  Wonder if O&#039;Reilly could do something about it for future Web2Expo events if we point this out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elisa, I reckon you should contact them and find out for sure, and then let me know.</p>
<p>I am pretty sure, at this point, that the claim about insurance in the Moscone Center was prime 100% bullshit.  A few months ago they held <a href="http://www.comic-con.org/wc/" rel="nofollow">Wondercon</a> at Moscone, and the area was *crawling* with kids (from age, oh, 8 or so upward?) in Moscone nametags carrying Moscone schwag bags.  I work a mere block away, and went into the office over the weekend of Wondercon to run an event there, so I saw the crowds.</p>
<p>No kids at Moscone = I call bullshit.  Wonder if O&#8217;Reilly could do something about it for future Web2Expo events if we point this out?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Elisa Camahort Page</title>
		<link>http://infotrope.net/blog/2008/04/25/web2expo-i-believe-a-small-rant-is-required/comment-page-1/#comment-1573</link>
		<dc:creator>Elisa Camahort Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://infotrope.net/blog/?p=165#comment-1573</guid>
		<description>Actually, Moscone would be on our list of potential venues for future BlogHer events, but if they can&#039;t let people in with nursing babies, I&#039;m afraid we would not be able to hold a conference there. hmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Moscone would be on our list of potential venues for future BlogHer events, but if they can&#8217;t let people in with nursing babies, I&#8217;m afraid we would not be able to hold a conference there. hmmm.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Liz Henry</title>
		<link>http://infotrope.net/blog/2008/04/25/web2expo-i-believe-a-small-rant-is-required/comment-page-1/#comment-1568</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://infotrope.net/blog/?p=165#comment-1568</guid>
		<description>We do fine with childcare rooms at WisCon and at BlogHer. It takes some licensed day care providers, two rooms in the hotel or conference center (one for infants/preschoolers and one for older kids), some toys and snacks and portable cribs, and I believe some kind of liability insurance. At WisCon it&#039;s volunteer run.  

At BarCampBlock, which was around 600-1000 people over the course of two days, we had a room with some toys in it and a roughly scheduled volunteer crew for the older kids.  We could have used another quieter room away from the action for babies and younger kids. But with no budget and very informal planning we handled kids at a large conference. The kids had a good time. 

A few years ago I was turned away from the National Coalition for Dialogue and Debate conference for having my 7 year old with me. He&#039;s a conference going veteran and sits out of the way watching dvds with headphones or reading books. But apparently he would be just too disruptive for that conference. 

I&#039;ve also had very good luck hiring sitters from craigslist or from services like sittercity.com or care.com, to do childcare in my conference hotel room, take my son out for ice cream etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do fine with childcare rooms at WisCon and at BlogHer. It takes some licensed day care providers, two rooms in the hotel or conference center (one for infants/preschoolers and one for older kids), some toys and snacks and portable cribs, and I believe some kind of liability insurance. At WisCon it&#8217;s volunteer run.  </p>
<p>At BarCampBlock, which was around 600-1000 people over the course of two days, we had a room with some toys in it and a roughly scheduled volunteer crew for the older kids.  We could have used another quieter room away from the action for babies and younger kids. But with no budget and very informal planning we handled kids at a large conference. The kids had a good time. </p>
<p>A few years ago I was turned away from the National Coalition for Dialogue and Debate conference for having my 7 year old with me. He&#8217;s a conference going veteran and sits out of the way watching dvds with headphones or reading books. But apparently he would be just too disruptive for that conference. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also had very good luck hiring sitters from craigslist or from services like sittercity.com or care.com, to do childcare in my conference hotel room, take my son out for ice cream etc.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ecb</title>
		<link>http://infotrope.net/blog/2008/04/25/web2expo-i-believe-a-small-rant-is-required/comment-page-1/#comment-1173</link>
		<dc:creator>ecb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 22:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://infotrope.net/blog/?p=165#comment-1173</guid>
		<description>*sigh* 8 months pregnant and missing OSCON this summer - I&#039;ve been dreaming of speaking again there next year with a baby in a sling, if necessary. Here&#039;s to hoping that will be possible. :-/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh* 8 months pregnant and missing OSCON this summer &#8211; I&#8217;ve been dreaming of speaking again there next year with a baby in a sling, if necessary. Here&#8217;s to hoping that will be possible. :-/</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Michael Scheper</title>
		<link>http://infotrope.net/blog/2008/04/25/web2expo-i-believe-a-small-rant-is-required/comment-page-1/#comment-1139</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Scheper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://infotrope.net/blog/?p=165#comment-1139</guid>
		<description>I&#039;ve found &#039;insurance reasons&#039; to be the catch-all phrase for &#039;we don&#039;t want to explain why you can&#039;t; you just can&#039;t&#039;. It&#039;s convenient for them, because if you tried to find out more, you&#039;d be blocked by not having access to their insurance contract.

My personal way with dealing with these things, when it&#039;s worth it, is to take their objections with a grain of salt and to do what I want anyhow. This almost never gets me into trouble, and I think that would have been entirely appropriate in this case. I&#039;d be surprised if a venue hosting a Web 2.0 con would enforce an antisocial rule like that, given all the strife the Web 2.0 world has already gotten itself into with mothers. (FaceBook breastfeeding fiasco, etc.)

But although it was a women&#039;s panel, I&#039;m surprised to see you labelling this as specifically as a women&#039;s issue, especially in this town. The only similar story I&#039;ve heard was about a keynote speaker ditching a (non-geek) conference because he and his male partner&#039;s childcare fell through, and the conference organisers didn&#039;t allow them to bring their daughter because they thought she&#039;d create a fuss. I never met her, but I&#039;m told that it&#039;s unlikely that she would&#039;ve. (Then again, I&#039;m also surprised that you&#039;ve adopted the local spelling of &#039;arse&#039;, even when the North American you quoted didn&#039;t. :P )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found &#8216;insurance reasons&#8217; to be the catch-all phrase for &#8216;we don&#8217;t want to explain why you can&#8217;t; you just can&#8217;t&#8217;. It&#8217;s convenient for them, because if you tried to find out more, you&#8217;d be blocked by not having access to their insurance contract.</p>
<p>My personal way with dealing with these things, when it&#8217;s worth it, is to take their objections with a grain of salt and to do what I want anyhow. This almost never gets me into trouble, and I think that would have been entirely appropriate in this case. I&#8217;d be surprised if a venue hosting a Web 2.0 con would enforce an antisocial rule like that, given all the strife the Web 2.0 world has already gotten itself into with mothers. (FaceBook breastfeeding fiasco, etc.)</p>
<p>But although it was a women&#8217;s panel, I&#8217;m surprised to see you labelling this as specifically as a women&#8217;s issue, especially in this town. The only similar story I&#8217;ve heard was about a keynote speaker ditching a (non-geek) conference because he and his male partner&#8217;s childcare fell through, and the conference organisers didn&#8217;t allow them to bring their daughter because they thought she&#8217;d create a fuss. I never met her, but I&#8217;m told that it&#8217;s unlikely that she would&#8217;ve. (Then again, I&#8217;m also surprised that you&#8217;ve adopted the local spelling of &#8216;arse&#8217;, even when the North American you quoted didn&#8217;t. :P )</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Zrusilla</title>
		<link>http://infotrope.net/blog/2008/04/25/web2expo-i-believe-a-small-rant-is-required/comment-page-1/#comment-1138</link>
		<dc:creator>Zrusilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://infotrope.net/blog/?p=165#comment-1138</guid>
		<description>I have an eight-year-old and have dreamed about an OSCON Kids for those of us with little geeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an eight-year-old and have dreamed about an OSCON Kids for those of us with little geeks.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://infotrope.net/blog/2008/04/25/web2expo-i-believe-a-small-rant-is-required/comment-page-1/#comment-1137</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://infotrope.net/blog/?p=165#comment-1137</guid>
		<description>I doubt it has much to do with babies.  Probably more about teenagers and it is easier to just say 18+, no exceptions, rather than expecting security guards to make reasonable, rational decisions about who can be admitted.

Not that that makes it ok, or fair, but I can at least understand it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt it has much to do with babies.  Probably more about teenagers and it is easier to just say 18+, no exceptions, rather than expecting security guards to make reasonable, rational decisions about who can be admitted.</p>
<p>Not that that makes it ok, or fair, but I can at least understand it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Kirrily Robert</title>
		<link>http://infotrope.net/blog/2008/04/25/web2expo-i-believe-a-small-rant-is-required/comment-page-1/#comment-1135</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirrily Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://infotrope.net/blog/?p=165#comment-1135</guid>
		<description>I created a thingy for them on getsatisfaction.com but haven&#039;t actually registered a complaint yet. It seemed fitting, though :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I created a thingy for them on getsatisfaction.com but haven&#8217;t actually registered a complaint yet. It seemed fitting, though :)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Yatima</title>
		<link>http://infotrope.net/blog/2008/04/25/web2expo-i-believe-a-small-rant-is-required/comment-page-1/#comment-1134</link>
		<dc:creator>Yatima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://infotrope.net/blog/?p=165#comment-1134</guid>
		<description>No argument here, obviously. We should keep pushing Moscone on this. &quot;Insurance,&quot; pah. Weak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No argument here, obviously. We should keep pushing Moscone on this. &#8220;Insurance,&#8221; pah. Weak.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
