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	<title>Comments on: Feminism, pornography, censorship.</title>
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		<title>By: Michael R. Bernstein</title>
		<link>http://infotrope.net/blog/2009/08/09/feminism-pornography-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-1922</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael R. Bernstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, no rush. I&#039;ll keep an eye out for it. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, no rush. I&#8217;ll keep an eye out for it. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Skud</title>
		<link>http://infotrope.net/blog/2009/08/09/feminism-pornography-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-1917</link>
		<dc:creator>Skud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 01:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael yeah, but my notes are on the laptop that I haven&#039;t opened since OSCON :)  I only took notes on the reading list, but I should post it, yeah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael yeah, but my notes are on the laptop that I haven&#8217;t opened since OSCON :)  I only took notes on the reading list, but I should post it, yeah.</p>
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		<title>By: Gretchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gretchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 01:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a wonderfully clear definition of censorship.

It constantly astounds me when people want to defend their supposed right to have pictures of naked women in their workspace (i.e. on desktop or screensaver) as freedom of speech vs. censorship.  

It&#039;s not a matter of wanting to ban people from looking at such images, or even from displaying them, but it is a matter of whether or not the workplace is an appropropate venue. And in most cases, the exception being if you work in the sex industry, the answer will be &quot;No&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a wonderfully clear definition of censorship.</p>
<p>It constantly astounds me when people want to defend their supposed right to have pictures of naked women in their workspace (i.e. on desktop or screensaver) as freedom of speech vs. censorship.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a matter of wanting to ban people from looking at such images, or even from displaying them, but it is a matter of whether or not the workplace is an appropropate venue. And in most cases, the exception being if you work in the sex industry, the answer will be &#8220;No&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael R. Bernstein</title>
		<link>http://infotrope.net/blog/2009/08/09/feminism-pornography-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-1915</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael R. Bernstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 01:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, Speaking of the BOF... Skud, do you still intend to post a summary of the discussion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, Speaking of the BOF&#8230; Skud, do you still intend to post a summary of the discussion?</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey Hing</title>
		<link>http://infotrope.net/blog/2009/08/09/feminism-pornography-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-1913</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoffrey Hing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m definitely guilty of mansplaining as well.  I guess what I&#039;ve come to realize is that part of male privilege is not having to think about how my life is gender-mediated.  So, it&#039;s much easier to voice concern or consciousness about gender inequality by reiterating feminist theory or things that I&#039;ve been told by others than thinking and speaking about my own experiences with gender.  I found that reading &quot;Men Speak Out&quot; (http://www.amazon.com/Men-Speak-Out-Views-Gender/dp/0415956579) offered some good examples of talking about gender from one&#039;s own (male) experience instead of mansplaining the work, ideas, and experiences of others.

I&#039;ve been excited about the ideas that have been in the threads on this blog in the last week or so because it&#039;s something that&#039;s so often neglected, especially in FLOSS, but it&#039;s a good reality check to be reminded that I need to think about how to engage in the dialog appropriately, respectfully, and productively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m definitely guilty of mansplaining as well.  I guess what I&#8217;ve come to realize is that part of male privilege is not having to think about how my life is gender-mediated.  So, it&#8217;s much easier to voice concern or consciousness about gender inequality by reiterating feminist theory or things that I&#8217;ve been told by others than thinking and speaking about my own experiences with gender.  I found that reading &#8220;Men Speak Out&#8221; (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Men-Speak-Out-Views-Gender/dp/0415956579" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Men-Speak-Out-Views-Gender/dp/0415956579</a>) offered some good examples of talking about gender from one&#8217;s own (male) experience instead of mansplaining the work, ideas, and experiences of others.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been excited about the ideas that have been in the threads on this blog in the last week or so because it&#8217;s something that&#8217;s so often neglected, especially in FLOSS, but it&#8217;s a good reality check to be reminded that I need to think about how to engage in the dialog appropriately, respectfully, and productively.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael R. Bernstein</title>
		<link>http://infotrope.net/blog/2009/08/09/feminism-pornography-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-1910</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael R. Bernstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, speaking of mansplanation, I realized after the &#039;Women and Allies&#039; BOF at OSCON that I had done just that in explaining to one of the participants why women in general don&#039;t have as much free time to engage in hobby coding. While she actually did need the explanation (and probably will again, since it didn&#039;t &#039;take&#039;), it shouldn&#039;t have come from me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, speaking of mansplanation, I realized after the &#8216;Women and Allies&#8217; BOF at OSCON that I had done just that in explaining to one of the participants why women in general don&#8217;t have as much free time to engage in hobby coding. While she actually did need the explanation (and probably will again, since it didn&#8217;t &#8216;take&#8217;), it shouldn&#8217;t have come from me.</p>
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		<title>By: Yatima &#187; Blog Archive &#187; this week in mansplanation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yatima &#187; Blog Archive &#187; this week in mansplanation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Yes, let&#8217;s!  There are a great many debates in feminist circles about this very topic. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Yes, let&#8217;s!  There are a great many debates in feminist circles about this very topic. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But you don&#039;t understand, Skud!  You can&#039;t possibly understand feminism because you ARE a feminist.  It&#039;s just like a fish with a bicycle can&#039;t understand water.  It&#039;s in them, it&#039;s around them, it&#039;s part of their universe.  You need someone who *isn&#039;t* a woman to explain it to you.  Just as I&#039;m &#039;splaining it to you now.  See?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But you don&#8217;t understand, Skud!  You can&#8217;t possibly understand feminism because you ARE a feminist.  It&#8217;s just like a fish with a bicycle can&#8217;t understand water.  It&#8217;s in them, it&#8217;s around them, it&#8217;s part of their universe.  You need someone who *isn&#8217;t* a woman to explain it to you.  Just as I&#8217;m &#8216;splaining it to you now.  See?</p>
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		<title>By: Skud</title>
		<link>http://infotrope.net/blog/2009/08/09/feminism-pornography-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-1906</link>
		<dc:creator>Skud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joseph: Thank you so much for explaining feminism&#039;s sex wars to us all.  *rolls eyes*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joseph: Thank you so much for explaining feminism&#8217;s sex wars to us all.  *rolls eyes*</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph James Frantz</title>
		<link>http://infotrope.net/blog/2009/08/09/feminism-pornography-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-1902</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph James Frantz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 06:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a great many debates in feminist circles about this very topic. Whether participation by women in sex work makes them &quot;cohorts of the patriarchy&quot;. These women are often dismissed, shamed, and restricted by the very folks that should be most supportive. Indeed that law in Canada that got Lesbian works restricted, had among its advocates, certain groups of self-identified feminists.

Likewise, laws in Rhode Island had moved to decriminalize prostitution. If we accept the premise that being a prostitute is bad for *all* women (a premise hotly disputed by many prostitutes themselves) how can we advocate making life even harder for these women? The law seeking passage, again by certain self-identified feminists, will require land lords to evict any woman practicing prostitution in her home. That most definitely does nothing to aid a woman to find other work, and will likely ensure she remains marginalized in &quot;criminal&quot; activity even longer.

The point is, that most often these ideas that we should prevent some kind of art, or idea, because it harms women, are very often used, once passed, to further marginalize women already in desperate circumstances.

NOTE: While certain group of self-identified feminists advocate these onerous restrictions, which tend to hurt women most, other self-identified feminists repudiate these kinds of harsh, oppressive measures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a great many debates in feminist circles about this very topic. Whether participation by women in sex work makes them &#8220;cohorts of the patriarchy&#8221;. These women are often dismissed, shamed, and restricted by the very folks that should be most supportive. Indeed that law in Canada that got Lesbian works restricted, had among its advocates, certain groups of self-identified feminists.</p>
<p>Likewise, laws in Rhode Island had moved to decriminalize prostitution. If we accept the premise that being a prostitute is bad for *all* women (a premise hotly disputed by many prostitutes themselves) how can we advocate making life even harder for these women? The law seeking passage, again by certain self-identified feminists, will require land lords to evict any woman practicing prostitution in her home. That most definitely does nothing to aid a woman to find other work, and will likely ensure she remains marginalized in &#8220;criminal&#8221; activity even longer.</p>
<p>The point is, that most often these ideas that we should prevent some kind of art, or idea, because it harms women, are very often used, once passed, to further marginalize women already in desperate circumstances.</p>
<p>NOTE: While certain group of self-identified feminists advocate these onerous restrictions, which tend to hurt women most, other self-identified feminists repudiate these kinds of harsh, oppressive measures.</p>
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